Henry RICE b. About 1564 d. 11/16/1621

Henry RICE b. About 1564 d. 11/16/1621 - Overview

Name	Full Name	Henry RICE
	Forename	Henry
	Surname	RICE
Sex	Male
Birth	About 1564, Buckhamstead, Hartford, England
Death	11/16/1621, Stanstead, St James, Suffolk, England
Parents	William RHYS x Thomasine MYAL [Family]
Spouse #1	Margaret BAKER b. 07/01/1558 d. About 1625 [Family]
Spouse #2	Elizabeth FROST b. 03/24/1588 d. 06/20/1647 [Family]
Children	With Margaret BAKER b. 07/01/1558 d. About 1625: 1. Henry RICE b. 08/18/1583 d. 11/16/1621 2. Robert RICE b. 1596 With Elizabeth FROST b. 03/24/1588 d. 06/20/1647: 1. John RICE b. 1606 2. Edward RICE b. About 1608 d. After 1616 3. Elizabeth RICE b. 11/18/1612 d. 12/14/1690 4. Mary RICE b. 06/1615 5. Anne RICE b. 03/1618
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Henry RICE, eldest child of William RHYS and Thomasine MYAL [Family], was born about 1564 in Buckhamstead, Hartford, England. Henry died on 11/16/1621 in Stanstead, St James, Suffolk, England aged about 57.

== Disputed Origins ==. The Henry Rice who married Elizabeth Frost (who then went on to marry[[Whale-11|Philemon Whale II]]) has been thought to be brother or father of the immigrant [[Rice-52|Edmund Rice]] who settled in Sudbury, Massachusetts about 1638. <ref>''The American Genealogist,'' vol. 10, p134: QUOTE NEEDED</ref>. == Biography ==. Henry Rice or Rys of Ratcliffe was born 1564 [others say 1588] in Wapping, Ratcliffe, East Mithfield, St. Katherine's Whitechapel, Middlesex [other say Suffolk], England. He married first 1605 [seems late given 1564 birth year; are we conflating two men here, one generation apart??] Elizabeth Frost... [is this right?]. In "English Notes on Edmund Rice," Mary Lovering Holman<ref>''The American Genealogist,'' vol. 10, p133-137</ref> had searched the church register from Stanstead, Suffolk, England with the following results:. One Henry Rice married Elizabeth Frost in November 1605. Supposed children, recorded in this register include:. # Henry Ryce, son of Henry; buried September 1608. # Edward Ryce, baptized May 1608. # Henry Ryce, baptized Feb 1609/10;. # Elizabeth Ryce, baptized November 1612. # Mary Ryce, baptized Jun 1615. # Anne Ryce, baptized March 1617/8. One Henry Rice, the father?, was buried November 1621 in Stanstead.<ref>''The American Genealogist,'' vol. 10, p133-136</ref> No will has been found. The Frosts were of Stanstead, but not the Rice name. == Research Notes ==:Henry Rice and his wife Elizabeth Frost '''were not''' the parents of the emigrant [[Rice-52|Edmund Rice]] of Sudbury, Massachusetts. Fromthe [http://edmund-rice.org/ancestors.htm Edmund Rice (1638) Family Association]:. :Twice in the 20th century nationally recognized research genealogists have attempted to determine the parents and ancestors of Edmund Rice:# Mary Lovering Holman described the negative result of her search for records in the parishes near Stanstead and Sudbury, Suffolk County, England in "English Notes on Edmund Rice … ", ''The American Genealogist''', Volume 10 (1933/34), pp. 133 - 137. Mrs. Holman is consideredby many to be one of the best research genealogists in the 20th century.# In 1997, the Edmund Rice (1638) Association commissioned Dr. JoannaMartin, a nationally recognized research genealogist who lives in England only a few miles from Stanstead and Sudbury to search again for records of Edmund Rice's parents. Dr. Martin reported in 1999 that she found no record that identified Edmund's parents or ancestral line... :::From Mrs. Holman's paper we have an excellent record of one Henry Rice's marriage to Elizabeth Frost in November 1605 at Stanstead. Mrs. Holman also documents the baptism of Edmund's first child on 23 August 1619 at Stanstead. If this is the Henry Rice and Elizabeth Frost to which the LDS records refer, the LDS records must be erroneous... If Henry was the father of Edmund the immigrant, it would have been by an earlier wife. The Edmund Rice (1638) Association makes it very clear that no proof has been found of Edmund's parentage.<ref>http://www.edmund-rice.org/ancestors.htm</ref>. == Sources ==. <references />. See also:* ''Catalogue of American genealogies in the library of the Long Island Historical Society,'' Brooklyn, N. Y.: The Society, 1935. Availableon ancestry.com* ''A volume of records relating to the early history of Boston,'' Boston: Municipal Print. Office, 1900-1909.** Note: Vols. 1-22, 1876-1890, issued as "Report of the Record Commissioners." In 1892 the Record Commissioners' Department (created in 1875 and known also as the Department of Ancient Records) was consolidated with the Registry Department, which continued the publication under the same title until 1900; with v. 29, the title was changed to its present form.* ''Middlesex, England, Extracted Parish Records,'' Ancestry.com. Electronic databases created from various publications of parish and probate records.* Ellery Bicknell Crane, ed., ''Historic Homes and Institutions and Genealogical and Personal Memoirs of Worcester County Massachusetts with a History of Worcester Society,'' [place? date?]. According to the profiles Rice-220, married Baker-314, when he was 15or 16 years of age, in 1579. She was about 21. Possible yes, probableno. He then married Frost-76, and Frost-103, in 1605. Possible No. Frost-76 and Frost-103, may not be the same person, but Baker-314, was not married to two women, with the same name, at the same time.Someone who is certified, needs to remove, one of these ladies, as awife, to Baker-314.

4 sons and 3 daughters listed.

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Children

i	Henry RICE¹ was born on 08/18/1583 in Stanstead, Suffolk, England. He died on 11/16/1621 in Sudbury, Suffolk, England aged 38.	(unknown image type)
ii	Robert RICE² was born in 1596 in Stamstead, Suffolk, England.	(unknown image type)
iii	John RICE³ was born in 1606 in Suffolk, England.
iv	Edward RICE⁴ was born about 1608 in Stanstead, Suffolk, England. He died after 1616 aged about 8.
v	Elizabeth RICE⁵ was born on 11/18/1612 in Stanstead, Suffolk, England. She died on 12/14/1690 in Sudbury, Middlesex, Massachusetts Bay Colony aged 78.	(unknown image type)
vi	Mary RICE⁶ was born in 06/1615 in Stanstead, Suffolk, England.
vii	Anne RICE⁷ was born in 03/1618 in Stanstead, Suffolk, England.

Notes

1. This person was created through the import of 104-B.ged on 12 September 2010. The following data was included in the gedcom. You may wish to edit it for readability. === Source === : Source: [[#S-1525611297]] :: Page: Ancestry Family Trees :: Note: :: Data:::: Text: http://trees.ancestry.com/pt/AMTCitationRedir.aspx?tid=112019&pid=-1218051814 === Sources === : Source S-1525611297 : Repository: [[#R-1829493010]] : Title: Public Member Trees : Author: Ancestry.com: Publication: Online publication - Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 2006.Original data - Family trees submitted by Ancestrymembers.Original data: Family trees submitted by Ancestry members.: Note: This information comes from 1 or more individual Ancestry Family Tree files. This source citation points you to a current version of those files. Note: The owners of these tree files may have removed or changed information since this source citation was created. : Repository R-1829493010 : Name: Ancestry.com : Address: http://www.Ancestry.com : Note: ---- This person was created through the import of 104-B.ged on 12 September 2010. The following data was included in the gedcom. You may wish to edit it for readability. === Source === : Source: [[#S-1525611297]] :: Page: Ancestry Family Trees :: Note: :: Data:::: Text: http://trees.ancestry.com/pt/AMTCitationRedir.aspx?tid=112019&pid=-1218051802 === Sources === : Source S-1525611297 : Repository: [[#R-1829493010]] : Title: Public Member Trees : Author: Ancestry.com: Publication: Online publication - Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 2006.Original data - Family trees submitted by Ancestrymembers.Original data: Family trees submitted by Ancestry members.: Note: This information comes from 1 or more individual Ancestry Family Tree files. This source citation points you to a current version of those files. Note: The owners of these tree files may have removed or changed information since this source citation was created. : Repository R-1829493010 : Name: Ancestry.com : Address: http://www.Ancestry.com : Note:
2. == Biography == Per [http://trees.ancestry.com/pt/AMTCitationRedir.aspx?tid=112019&pid=-1218051805 unsourced online family trees], supposedly son of [[Rice-220|Henry Rice]] and [[Frost-103|Elizabeth Frost]], but dates don't make this possible. == Sources == <references /> CITING THIS RECORD"Pedigree Resource File," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/2:2:9995-18C : accessed 2 August 2018), entry for Henry Rice; file (2:2:2:MM95-NN1), submitted 20 June 1999. For reference only Robert Rice View Tree Sex Male Birth about 1596 ,Stamstead,Suffolk,England PARENTS Father Thomas Rice Mother Catherine Howard CITING THIS RECORD"Pedigree Resource File," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/2:2:94MY-KDQ : accessed 2 August 2018), entry for Robert Rice; file (2:2:2:MM9T-9M4), submitted 12 May 2002. His father is sometimes listed as Thomas. I do not know if one is a middle name. or if one is a nickname. https://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=chazzyace62&id=I3056
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4. == Biography ==Edward Rice, the son of [[Rice-220|Henry Rice]] and [[Frost-76|Elizabeth Frost]], was probably born in April or May 1608 and was baptized at St. James Church in Stanstead, Suffolk, England in May 1608.<ref>Mary Lovering Holman, "English Notes on Edmund Rice." ''The American Genealogist'' 10, (1943): 134. Baptism of "Edward Ryce the son of Henry Ryce."</ref> Edward is specifically mention in the will of his grandfather, [[Frost-72|Edward Frost]], dated 26 July 1616 (proved 4 October 1616).<ref>Holman, "English Notes on Edmund Rice," 135.</ref> == Sources == <references /> == See Also ==*Holman, Mary Lovering. "English Notes on Edmund Rice." ''The American Genealogist'' 10, (1943): 133-136.
5. [[Category:Puritan Great Migration]] {{Puritan Great Migration}} ---- == Disputed Origins ==Elizabeth was the daughter of Henry Rice and Elizabeth (Frost) Whale.She was the adopted daughter of Elizabeth'S second husband Philemon Whale. Many genealogical studies of John(1) Moore and his family claim that his last wife was Elizabeth, daughter of Philemon1 Whale of Sudbury, who calls her his daughter in his will. Many have taken this to mean that she was Elizabeth, bapt 31 Jan 1593 to Philemon Whale in Checkney, Essex England.<ref>IGI Batch #F506660, sheet 047, call #1553362, citing Film 455484, Parish Registers of Chickney, Essex; baptisms</ref> Robert Charles Anderson<ref>Robert Charles Anderson, "The English Origins of Philemon Whale of Sudbury, Massachusetts,'' in ''The Genealogist,'' 6 (1985):131-41</ref> has argued that she was actually a daughter of Henry and Elizabeth (Frost) Rice of Stanstead, co. Suffolk, England, and a ''stepdaughter'' of Philemon Whale, who married Henry Rice'swidow. Philemon Whale did not marry Elizabeth Frost (widow of Henry Rice) until 1621, had their first child (dau Sarah) in 1622; a subsequent birth of Elizabeth would too late to parent the Elizabeth who marries in 1639. Then to really confirm this, "...a microfilm of a transcript of the Bishop's Transcripts for Little Gaddesden was checked (FHL #1040857, item 3)... under the date of 27 Nov 1633, we find the marriage of 'Johannes More & Elizabetha Rice." ... There can be no doubt that this is the marriage of the immigrants to Sudbury, Mass.<ref>John Plummer, "The English Origin of John1 Moore of Sudbury, Massachusetts," in ''The American Genealogist,'' 66(1991):75-77</ref> == Biography == She was baptized 18 Nov 1612 in Stanstead, Suffolk, England, daughterof Henry Rice (d. 1620) and Elizabeth Frost. She married John Moore 27 Nov 1633 in Little Gaddesden, England. She died 14 Dec 1690 in Sudbury, Middlesex, Massachusetts. == Sources == <references />  === Notes === : Note DI4206(now Wayland) : Note NI4206stepfather named Whale whose name she used Elizabeth4 RICE (#2564) was born, : before 18 November 1612
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