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1. [[Category: Buckingham, Buckinghamshire]] == Biography == : [[Myal-5|Thomasine Myal]] : Birth: abt 1542, Buckingham, England : Death: aft 1568 : Marriage: abt 1563, of Sudbury, Suffolk, England : Spouse: [[Royce-224|'''William Royce (Rose)''']] : Children: # [[Royce-75|Thomas Royce]]/Rice # ''Henry Royce/Rice'' == Sources ==* Source: [https://familysearch.org/search/tree/results?count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3AJohn%20%2Bsurname%3ANance%20%2Bbirth_place%3A%22Illogan%2C%20Cornwall%2C%20England%22~%20%2Bbirth_year%3A1575-1595~ Primary FamilySearch.org URL] [https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/2:2:SRRK-PBT Thomasine Myal] Pedigree Resource File: Birth: about 1542, of Buckingham, England; Marriage: about 1563, of Sudbury, Suffolk, England; Spouse: William /Rice; Children: Henry /Rice; Thomas /Rice * Source: [https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/2:1:97TM-XYJ Thomasine Myal] Death: after 1568 [International Genealogical Index (IGI)] Birth: about 1543, Buckinghamshire, England; Death: after 1568 * Source: * Genealogy of the Bryan and Martin Families; URL: www.bryan-martin.net/genealogy <references /> == Acknowledgments ==* Thank you to [[Raber-23|Lynden Raber Castle Rodriguez]] for starting this profile.
2. == Disputed Origins == The Henry Rice who married Elizabeth Frost (who then went on to marry[[Whale-11|Philemon Whale II]]) has been thought to be brother or father of the immigrant [[Rice-52|Edmund Rice]] who settled in Sudbury, Massachusetts about 1638. <ref>''The American Genealogist,'' vol. 10, p134: QUOTE NEEDED</ref> == Biography == Henry Rice or Rys of Ratcliffe was born 1564 [others say 1588] in Wapping, Ratcliffe, East Mithfield, St. Katherine's Whitechapel, Middlesex [other say Suffolk], England. He married first 1605 [seems late given 1564 birth year; are we conflating two men here, one generation apart??] Elizabeth Frost... [is this right?] In "English Notes on Edmund Rice," Mary Lovering Holman<ref>''The American Genealogist,'' vol. 10, p133-137</ref> had searched the church register from Stanstead, Suffolk, England with the following results: One Henry Rice married Elizabeth Frost in November 1605. Supposed children, recorded in this register include: # Henry Ryce, son of Henry; buried September 1608 # Edward Ryce, baptized May 1608 # Henry Ryce, baptized Feb 1609/10; # Elizabeth Ryce, baptized November 1612 # Mary Ryce, baptized Jun 1615 # Anne Ryce, baptized March 1617/8 One Henry Rice, the father?, was buried November 1621 in Stanstead.<ref>''The American Genealogist,'' vol. 10, p133-136</ref> No will has been found. The Frosts were of Stanstead, but not the Rice name. == Research Notes ==:Henry Rice and his wife Elizabeth Frost '''were not''' the parents of the emigrant [[Rice-52|Edmund Rice]] of Sudbury, Massachusetts. Fromthe [http://edmund-rice.org/ancestors.htm Edmund Rice (1638) Family Association]: :Twice in the 20th century nationally recognized research genealogists have attempted to determine the parents and ancestors of Edmund Rice:# Mary Lovering Holman described the negative result of her search for records in the parishes near Stanstead and Sudbury, Suffolk County, England in "English Notes on Edmund Rice … ", ''The American Genealogist''', Volume 10 (1933/34), pp. 133 - 137. Mrs. Holman is consideredby many to be one of the best research genealogists in the 20th century.# In 1997, the Edmund Rice (1638) Association commissioned Dr. JoannaMartin, a nationally recognized research genealogist who lives in England only a few miles from Stanstead and Sudbury to search again for records of Edmund Rice's parents. Dr. Martin reported in 1999 that she found no record that identified Edmund's parents or ancestral line... :::From Mrs. Holman's paper we have an excellent record of one Henry Rice's marriage to Elizabeth Frost in November 1605 at Stanstead. Mrs. Holman also documents the baptism of Edmund's first child on 23 August 1619 at Stanstead. If this is the Henry Rice and Elizabeth Frost to which the LDS records refer, the LDS records must be erroneous... If Henry was the father of Edmund the immigrant, it would have been by an earlier wife. The Edmund Rice (1638) Association makes it very clear that no proof has been found of Edmund's parentage.<ref>http://www.edmund-rice.org/ancestors.htm</ref> == Sources == <references /> See also:* ''Catalogue of American genealogies in the library of the Long Island Historical Society,'' Brooklyn, N. Y.: The Society, 1935. Availableon ancestry.com* ''A volume of records relating to the early history of Boston,'' Boston: Municipal Print. Office, 1900-1909.** Note: Vols. 1-22, 1876-1890, issued as "Report of the Record Commissioners." In 1892 the Record Commissioners' Department (created in 1875 and known also as the Department of Ancient Records) was consolidated with the Registry Department, which continued the publication under the same title until 1900; with v. 29, the title was changed to its present form.* ''Middlesex, England, Extracted Parish Records,'' Ancestry.com. Electronic databases created from various publications of parish and probate records.* Ellery Bicknell Crane, ed., ''Historic Homes and Institutions and Genealogical and Personal Memoirs of Worcester County Massachusetts with a History of Worcester Society,'' [place? date?] According to the profiles Rice-220, married Baker-314, when he was 15or 16 years of age, in 1579. She was about 21. Possible yes, probableno. He then married Frost-76, and Frost-103, in 1605. Possible No. Frost-76 and Frost-103, may not be the same person, but Baker-314, was not married to two women, with the same name, at the same time.Someone who is certified, needs to remove, one of these ladies, as awife, to Baker-314.
3. [[Category: Martock, Somerset]] == Disputed Child ==: '''Thomas Royce/Rice is reported, on many internet trees, to be thefather of [[Royce-35|Robert Royce]] of Connecticut. However no proof,or evidence has yet been given to support this. Until such evidence comes to light he should remain disconnected.''' == Biography == : [[Royce-75|Thomas Royce]] : Birth: 1569, Martock, Somerset, England : Death: 1610, Somerset, England : Father: [[Royce-224|William Royce]] : Mother: [[Myal-5|Thomasine Myal]] == Spouse & Children == : Spouse (1): [[Appleton-76|Mary Appleton]] Children: # # Henry Royce == Spouse & Child == : Spouse (2): Margaret Rathbone (1585–1617)# William Rose (1596–1664)<ref>Source: person.ancestry.com/tree/1721521</ref> == Sources ==* Source: ''Robert Royce''. The Iowa Society U.S., Sons of the American Revolution Membership Applications, 1889-1970. Name: Robert Royce. SAR Membership: 46906; State#1056; Role: Ancestor; Application Date: 6Jun 1928; [http://interactive.ancestry.com/2204/32596_242251-00227?pid=573277&backurl=http://search.ancestry.com//cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv%3D1%26dbid%3D2204%26h%3D573277%26tid%3D65712609%26pid%3D48143334327%26hid%3D92601645292%26usePUB%3Dtrue%26_phsrc%3DNLO5013%26_phstart%3Ddefault%26usePUBJs%3Dtrue&treeid=65712609&personid=48143334327&hintid=92601645292&usePUB=true&_phsrc=NLO5013&_phstart=default Document 1 of 2] [http://interactive.ancestry.com/2204/32596_242251-00227?pid=573277&backurl=http://search.ancestry.com//cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv%3D1%26dbid%3D2204%26h%3D573277%26tid%3D65712609%26pid%3D48143334327%26hid%3D92601645292%26usePUB%3Dtrue%26_phsrc%3DNLO5013%26_phstart%3Ddefault%26usePUBJs%3Dtrue&treeid=65712609&personid=48143334327&hintid=92601645292&usePUB=true&_phsrc=NLO5013&_phstart=default#?imageId=32596_242251-00228 SAR Document 2 of 2] Others in Record: STEPHEN CALKINS, HENRY HARRISON SHEPARD, ANNA HURST, HENRY SHEPARD, HANNAH CALKINS, DAVID CALKINS, PATIENCEDREW, DAVID CALKINS, ELIZABETH DEMING, STEPHEN CALKINS, MARY CURTIS, SAMUEL CALKINS, HANNAH GIFFORD, JOHN CALKIN, SARAH ROYCE, [and ROBERT ROYCE] * Source: [https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/2:2:3QJQ-YVC Thomas Royce] [https://familysearch.org/search/tree/results?count=75&query=%2Bgivenname%3AThomas%20%2Bsurname%3ARoyce%20%2Bbirth_place%3A%22Buckinghamshire%2C%20England%22~%20%2Bbirth_year%3A1560-1670~ Primary FamilySearch.org URL] Pedigree Resource File; Birth: 1569, Buckinghamshire, England; Christening: 1579, Martock, Somerset, England, United Kingdom;Death/Burial: about 1645, Somerset, England; Marriage: about 1604, New London, New London, CT<ref> Further research is needed to ascertain as to whether Thomas Royce was in the colonies, but may have returnedto England where he died </ref>; Father: William ap Rhys; Mother: Thomasine Myal/Mynn; Spouse: Mary (Maria) Appleton; Children: Robert Royce<ref> Another source [4VDC-XSG] lists Robert Royce as a twin </ref>, Henry Rice, (Robert Rice) * Source: Title: Millennium File; Author: Heritage Consulting; Publisher: Ancestry.com Operations Inc; Publisher Date: 2003; Publisher Location: Provo, UT, USA * Source: American Genealogical-Biographical Index (AGBI) Name: Thomas Royce; Volume150; Page number 329; ReferenceAncestors of Arth. Orison Dillon. By Arth. Orison Dillon. Pomona, Ca, 1927. (111p.):26 * Source: http://trees.ancestry.com/pt/AMTCitationRedir.aspx?tid=225892&pid=4105 * Source: http://person.ancestry.com/tree/17215211/person/1115516437/facts <references /> :* Also see: :: Place [[sources]] here: == Acknowledgments ==* Thank you to [[Raber-23|Lynden Castle Rodriguez]] for her contributions to this profile.* Royce-491 was created by [[Crowdes-1|Michael Crowdes]] through the import of Crowdes.ged on Jan 14, 2016.