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1. == Biography ==Edward Rice, the son of [[Rice-220|Henry Rice]] and [[Frost-76|Elizabeth Frost]], was probably born in April or May 1608 and was baptized at St. James Church in Stanstead, Suffolk, England in May 1608.<ref>Mary Lovering Holman, "English Notes on Edmund Rice." ''The American Genealogist'' 10, (1943): 134. Baptism of "Edward Ryce the son of Henry Ryce."</ref> Edward is specifically mention in the will of his grandfather, [[Frost-72|Edward Frost]], dated 26 July 1616 (proved 4 October 1616).<ref>Holman, "English Notes on Edmund Rice," 135.</ref> == Sources == <references /> == See Also ==*Holman, Mary Lovering. "English Notes on Edmund Rice." ''The American Genealogist'' 10, (1943): 133-136.
2. == Disputed Origins == The Henry Rice who married Elizabeth Frost (who then went on to marry[[Whale-11|Philemon Whale II]]) has been thought to be brother or father of the immigrant [[Rice-52|Edmund Rice]] who settled in Sudbury, Massachusetts about 1638. <ref>''The American Genealogist,'' vol. 10, p134: QUOTE NEEDED</ref> == Biography == Henry Rice or Rys of Ratcliffe was born 1564 [others say 1588] in Wapping, Ratcliffe, East Mithfield, St. Katherine's Whitechapel, Middlesex [other say Suffolk], England. He married first 1605 [seems late given 1564 birth year; are we conflating two men here, one generation apart??] Elizabeth Frost... [is this right?] In "English Notes on Edmund Rice," Mary Lovering Holman<ref>''The American Genealogist,'' vol. 10, p133-137</ref> had searched the church register from Stanstead, Suffolk, England with the following results: One Henry Rice married Elizabeth Frost in November 1605. Supposed children, recorded in this register include: # Henry Ryce, son of Henry; buried September 1608 # Edward Ryce, baptized May 1608 # Henry Ryce, baptized Feb 1609/10; # Elizabeth Ryce, baptized November 1612 # Mary Ryce, baptized Jun 1615 # Anne Ryce, baptized March 1617/8 One Henry Rice, the father?, was buried November 1621 in Stanstead.<ref>''The American Genealogist,'' vol. 10, p133-136</ref> No will has been found. The Frosts were of Stanstead, but not the Rice name. == Research Notes ==:Henry Rice and his wife Elizabeth Frost '''were not''' the parents of the emigrant [[Rice-52|Edmund Rice]] of Sudbury, Massachusetts. Fromthe [http://edmund-rice.org/ancestors.htm Edmund Rice (1638) Family Association]: :Twice in the 20th century nationally recognized research genealogists have attempted to determine the parents and ancestors of Edmund Rice:# Mary Lovering Holman described the negative result of her search for records in the parishes near Stanstead and Sudbury, Suffolk County, England in "English Notes on Edmund Rice … ", ''The American Genealogist''', Volume 10 (1933/34), pp. 133 - 137. Mrs. Holman is consideredby many to be one of the best research genealogists in the 20th century.# In 1997, the Edmund Rice (1638) Association commissioned Dr. JoannaMartin, a nationally recognized research genealogist who lives in England only a few miles from Stanstead and Sudbury to search again for records of Edmund Rice's parents. Dr. Martin reported in 1999 that she found no record that identified Edmund's parents or ancestral line... :::From Mrs. Holman's paper we have an excellent record of one Henry Rice's marriage to Elizabeth Frost in November 1605 at Stanstead. Mrs. Holman also documents the baptism of Edmund's first child on 23 August 1619 at Stanstead. If this is the Henry Rice and Elizabeth Frost to which the LDS records refer, the LDS records must be erroneous... If Henry was the father of Edmund the immigrant, it would have been by an earlier wife. The Edmund Rice (1638) Association makes it very clear that no proof has been found of Edmund's parentage.<ref>http://www.edmund-rice.org/ancestors.htm</ref> == Sources == <references /> See also:* ''Catalogue of American genealogies in the library of the Long Island Historical Society,'' Brooklyn, N. Y.: The Society, 1935. Availableon ancestry.com* ''A volume of records relating to the early history of Boston,'' Boston: Municipal Print. Office, 1900-1909.** Note: Vols. 1-22, 1876-1890, issued as "Report of the Record Commissioners." In 1892 the Record Commissioners' Department (created in 1875 and known also as the Department of Ancient Records) was consolidated with the Registry Department, which continued the publication under the same title until 1900; with v. 29, the title was changed to its present form.* ''Middlesex, England, Extracted Parish Records,'' Ancestry.com. Electronic databases created from various publications of parish and probate records.* Ellery Bicknell Crane, ed., ''Historic Homes and Institutions and Genealogical and Personal Memoirs of Worcester County Massachusetts with a History of Worcester Society,'' [place? date?] According to the profiles Rice-220, married Baker-314, when he was 15or 16 years of age, in 1579. She was about 21. Possible yes, probableno. He then married Frost-76, and Frost-103, in 1605. Possible No. Frost-76 and Frost-103, may not be the same person, but Baker-314, was not married to two women, with the same name, at the same time.Someone who is certified, needs to remove, one of these ladies, as awife, to Baker-314.
3. [[Category:England, Pre-1700 PPPs]][[Category:England, Pre-1700 Managed profile needs work]] {{England}} == Biography == William was born about 1522. The Will of William Rice, of Medmenham, Buckinghamshire, England was written in 1588 and proved on the 25th November 1588. <ref>The National Archives; Kew, England; Prerogative Court of Canterbury and Related Probate Jurisdictions: Will Registers; Class: PROB 11; Piece: 73 Discovery catalogue entry for the ''Will of William Rice of Medmenham'' is [https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D924683 here] </ref> <br> To be further completed. Thank you for your patience. ==Research Notes==Note: the birth and death dates and association with Buckinghamshireand Medmenham in particular , imply that this profile is conflated with a William Rice , son of Unknown Rice and Eden Saunders. See Historyof Parliament entry for William Rice freely viewable online [https://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/volume/1509-1558/member/rice-william-1522-88 here ] . Lack of evidence for William being a son of [[Ap_Gruffydd-42|Rhys ap Gruffydd]] and [[Howard-10|Catherine Howard]]: The book written in 1993 [https://www.uwp.co.uk/book/sir-rhys-ap-thomas-and-his-family-hardback/ Sir Rhys ap Thomas and His Family- A Studyin the Wars of the Roses and Early Tudor Politics] (by Ralph A. Griffiths, OBE, Emeritus Professor of Medieval History at Swansea University, Honorary Vice-President of the Royal Historical Society, and formerly Chairman of the Royal Commission on the Ancient and Historical Monuments of Wales. ) does not refer at all to a William ap Rhys, son ofRhys ap Grufydd. <br> The only mention of a William ap Rhys is as one of the illegitimate sons of [[Ap_Thomas-9|Sir Rhys ap Thomas]] by Gwenllian, sister of theabbott of Talley. That William settled in Sandyhaven, Pembrokeshire.<br>The book draws on many early sources from Libraries and record offices. It also contains a reprint of the 17th century "Life of Sir Rhys apThomas" which is believed to have been written by Henry Rice, a descendant of Rhys ap Thomas. This has no mention of WIlliam ap Rhys. == Sources == <references /> See also: (the following sources need to be assessed individual to see what, if anything they include concerning the individuals on this profile; thank you):* "North American, Family Histories, 1500-2000 for William Rice whichappears to be citing:** page 110, 'Genealogy and History of the Grout and Allied Families:line item 13. William Rice, of Bohmer, born 1522 father of line item 14. Thomas Rice, born 1555, father of line item 15. Edmund Rice, born about 1594, came to New England 1638, settled in Sudbury, Massachusetts (ref.1)."** "(ref.1) [https://archive.org/details/bynameofricehist00riceiala/page/10 By the name of Rice, an Historical Sketch of Deacon Edmund Rice], also Mss. by Charles Elmer Rice, Nos. 12-15, from this source: ** Browning's Magna Carta Barons, pp. 190-227:**'' Americans of Royal Descen''t, by Charles Henry Browning; Published:Porter & Costes, 1891 ''pp. 159-60'';** [https://archive.org/details/thomasbookgivin00thomgoog/page/n9 Thomas, The Thomas Book], also page 20 cites William Ap Rice, of Sandy Haven ( Pembrokeshire ), Sheriff of Pembrokeshire 1557. This was an illegitimate son of [[Ap_Thomas-9|Sir Rhys ap Thomas]] by Gwenllian, sister of the abbott of Talley. See that entry online [https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=pi9WAAAAMAAJ&dq=Thomas%2C+The+THomas+Book&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=William+Rice here] See also [https://archive.org/details/thomasbookgivin00thomgoog/page/n64 here] for the descent via Thomasap Rhys, another illegitimate son of [[Ap_Thomas-9|Sir Rhys ap Thomas]] by Gwenllian. NB the pages 471-473 originally cited here as a source do not mention William ap Rhys. The only children of Rhys ap Gruffydd ( Rice ) and Catherine Howard cited here are [[Rhys-123|Griffith Rice]] and[[Reese-1398| Agnes]]. [ Freely viewable online here:[https://archive.org/details/thomasbookgivin00thomgoog/page/n576 Rice of Dynevor]** Burke's Peerage, etc., 1894, p. 474." End page 110. Online record source access thru: [www.Ancestry.com]. * [http://trees.ancestry.com/pt/AMTCitationRedir.aspx?tid=24279608&pid=1759262483 Various Ancestry Family Trees] - USE WITH CAUTION ''Do you have information about William Rice? Please contribute to his biography. Everything on WikiTree is a collaborative work-in-progress.''
4. [[Category: St James Churchyard, Nayland, Suffolk]] {{Puritan Great Migration Adjunct}}:''Due to controversies about his origins and relationships, and thathe is father of multiple Great Migration-era immigrants, his profile is being tracked and protected by the Puritan Great Migration project.'' == Biography ==Edward Frost<ref name="Hunt">Hunt, Bessie B., "Ancestors & Descendants of Jonathan Burris" Sun Printing</ref> '''Edward Frost''':'''Baptized:''' 13 March 1560/61 at Glemsford, Suffolk, England<ref name="Thre">Threlfall, John B., ''Fifty Great Migration Colonists of New England and Their Origins'', Madison, Wisconsin: Privately Printed,1990 (reprinted at Bowie, Maryland: Heritage Books, 1992).</ref>:'''Married:''' 1585 at Glemsford, to Thomasine Belgrave<ref name="Thre"/> :'''Occupation:''' clothier<ref name="Thre"/>:'''Residence:''' removed c. 1588-9 to Stanstead (the next town to the northeast)<ref name="Thre"/>:'''Buried:''' 3 August 1616 at Stanstead (wife surviving him)<ref name="Thre"/> May be buried at St. James Church, Standstead.<ref>[http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=116093760 Find-a-Grave entry for Edward Frost], no citations provided; use with caution.</ref> === Origin ===Edward was baptized 13 Mar 1560, Glemsford, England<ref name="Hol">Holman, Mary L., "English Notes on Edmund Rice" in ''The American Genealogist,'' volume 10, pp 134-35 [https://www.americanancestors.org/DB283/i/11841/135/23568281 Link at AmericanAncestors ($)]</ref> He was a son of [[Frost-62|John Frost]] and [[Scott-243|Ann Scott]].{{Citation Needed}} === Family ===Edward married on 26 September 1585 [or on 26 July 1585, on p. 91] atGlemsford, Suffolk, England to Thomasine Belgrave, daughter of John and Joanna (Strutt) Belgrave. She was baptized 1 February 1561/2 at Leverington in Cambridgeshire.<ref name="Thre"/> Children (after about 1588-9, children baptized at Stanstead)<ref name="Hol"/>:# Anne (Died as Infant) (bp. 28 Nov 1586-bur. 27 Dec 1586) in Glemsford# Elizabeth (bp. 24 Mar 1587/8 Glemstead) m. Henry Rice, Stanstead, in Nov 1605; apparently m. (2) St. Mary's Bury St. Edmunds, Suffolk, 24Jan 1621/2 Philemon Whale # William (bp. 3 Aug 1589-) # Ann (bp. 3 Dec 1592-), m Laurence Collen # Alice (bp. 1 Dec 1594-), m Thomas Blower # Mary (bp. 21 Sep 1596- bur. 23 Nov 1596)# Thomasine (bp. 11 Aug 1600-1654), may have married the Immigrant Edmund Rice after her father's 1616 death, when she is still single. # Edward Frost bpt 11 Nov 1605 # Mary bpt 21 Jan 1607 # John Bpt 20 Jan 1609# Thomas (bp 30 April 1615: bur 23 June 1615)<ref>TAG 61:166, citing parish records</ref># Thomas (bp 21 April 1616; not mentioned in father's will)<ref>TAG 61:166, citing parish records</ref> === Will === Edward Frost of Stanstead, co. Suffolk, clothier, will dated 26 July 1616, proved 4 October 1616. I make bequests to Thomasine my wife, William Frost my son; my five daughters, Elizabeth, now the wife of HenryRice; Anne now the wife of Laurence Collen; Alice, wife of Thomas Blower, Mary Frost and Thomasine Frost; and to Edward Rice, son of my daughter Elizabeth Reice. Executrix, my wife Thomasine. Witnesses, Ambrose Bigges, senor & Ambrose Bigges, junior. (PCC 129 Cope.)<ref name="Hol"/> === Death and Legacy ===Edward was buried 3 Aug 1616 Stanstead, Suffolk, England<ref name="Hol"/> His wife survived him.<ref name="Hol"/> == Notes ==[http://trees.ancestry.com/rd?f=image&guid=d274d9da-952a-45ba-9456-ed7f8b551b80&tid=24279608&pid=1760718113 Frost Coat of Arms] (Warning: these arms may have no tie with Edward Frost the individual) == Sources == <references /> See also:* [http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=116093760 Find-a-Grave Entry for Edward Frost] * Rice Gen'l Register, p. 1.* Harold F. Jr Porter, "The Strutt Ancestry of Thomasine Frost", ''The American Genealogist,'' vol 61 (1986), p. 165-166. [https://www.americanancestors.org/DB283/i/12790/166/0 Link at AmericanAncestors ($)]* Harold F. Jr Potter, "The Paternal Ancestry of Thomasine Frost", pp. 134, 135; 164-165 See the changes page for the details of contributions and edits. <!-- Please edit, add, or delete anything in this text, including this note. Be bold and experiment! If you make a mistake you can always see the previous version of the text on the Changes page. -->
5. {{Puritan Great Migration}} == Biography == Elizabeth Frost, daughter of Edward Frost, was baptized in Glemsford,Suffolk, England on 24 March 1587/8.<ref>"England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N5Y4-BXB : 30 December 2014, Elizabetha Frost, 24 Mar 1587); citing GLEMSFORD,SUFFOLK,ENGLAND, index based upon data collected by the Genealogical Society of Utah, Salt Lake City; FHL microfilm 950,452.</ref> That Elizabeth Frost who married Henry Rice was daughter of Edward Frost and Thomasine Belgrave is claimed in "Ancestry of Thomasine (Frost) Rice," in ''The American Genealogist,'' 63:134::"Edward [Frost] bp. 13 March 1560/1... m. Glemsford 26 July 1585 THOMASINE BELGRAVE... Edward and Thomasine were the parents of the immigrants Elizabeth Frost (bp. Stanstead 24 March 1587[/8]), who m. (1) Henry Rice and (2) Philemon Whale, later of sudbury, Mass.;..." This is apparently also discussed further in Robert Charles Anderson,"The English Origins of Philemon Whale of Sudbury, Massachusetts," in''The Genealogist,'' 6(1985):131-141. Died 20 Jun 1647 Sudbury, Middlesex, Massachusetts?{{citation needed}}:There was an "Elizabeth, w. of [[Whale-11|Philemon Whale]]" who diedin Sudbury on this date.<ref>[http://ma-vitalrecords.org/MA/Middlesex/Sudbury/Images/Sudbury_D329.gif Sudbury Vital Records to 1850], Deaths, p 329</ref> But how do we know her origins? Here's what Anderson says:<ref>''Great Migration Begins: Immigrants to N.E. 1620-1633, Vols. I-III,'' p 206 (Profile for Richard Brackett)</ref>:"Alice Frost, was sister of... Elizabeth Frost, who married first Henry Rice and then Philemon Whale, the latter also an immigrant to Sudbury [TAG 15:227, 26:10-11; TG 6:131-41; Stevens-Miller Anc 143-144]." But WHICH Henry Rice?:"Philemon Whale, who married Henry Rice's widow ("The English Origins of Philemon Whale of Sudbury, Massachusetts," ''The Genealogist,'' [TG] 6[1985]:131-41). '''Henry Rice is believed to be a brother of Edmund Rice of Sudbury,''' from whom John Moore purchased land in 1642."<ref>John Plummer, "The English Origins of John1 Moore of Sudbury, Massachusetts," in ''The American Genealogist,'' 66:75</ref> == Sources == <references /> <!-- Please edit, add, or delete anything in this text, including this note. Be bold and experiment! If you make a mistake you can always see the previous version of the text on the Changes page. -->
6. [[Category: St James Churchyard, Nayland, Suffolk]] == Biography ==Thomasine Belgrave was baptized 1 Feb 1562, Leverington, Cambridgeshire, England.<ref>Harold F. Porter, Jr., ''The Strutt Ancestry of Thomasine Frost wife of Edmund Frost of Sudbury, Mass.,'' TAG 61:161-166, p. 165, available at [https://www.americanancestors.org/DB283/rd/12790/165/144276924 americanancestors.org]</ref> :'''NOTE:''' she should not be confused with the Thomasine Clench (wife of immigrant Edmund -- not Edward -- Frost) who died 13 June 1653, Sudbury, Middlesex, Massachusetts. Thomasine Belgrave married Edward Frost 26 sep 1585 in Glemsford, Suffolk, England.<ref>Name Edrus. Frost Spouse's Name Thomasina Belgrave Event Date 26 Sep 1585 Event Place Glemsford,Suffolk,England Citing this Record"England Marriages, 1538–1973 ," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NLMX-56Y : 10 February 2018), Edrus. Frost and Thomasina Belgrave, 26 Sep 1585; citing Glemsford,Suffolk,England, reference , index based upon data collected by the Genealogical Society of Utah, Salt Lake City; FHL microfilm 950,452.</ref> They had the following children: # Anne (Died as Infant) (bp. 1586-) # Elizabeth (bp. 1588-) m. Henry Rice # William (bp. 1589-) # Ann (bp. 1592-), m Laurence Collen # Alice (bp. 1594-), m Thomas Blower # Mary (bp. 1596-) # Mary (~1598-)# Thomasine (bp. 1600-1654), may have married the Immigrant Edmund Rice after her father's 1616 death, when she is still single.# Thomas (bp 1615: bur 1615)<ref>TAG 61:166, citing parish records</ref># Thomas (bp 1616; not mentioned in father's will)<ref>TAG 61:166, citing parish records</ref> Thomasine Belgrave Frost was still alive 26 jul 1616, when husband Edward wrote his will. == Sources == <references /> See also:# [http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=Frost&GSfn=Thomasine&GSbyrel=all&GSdyrel=all&GSob=n&GRid=116093904&df=all& Find-a-Grave entry for Thomasine Belgrave Frost] # Rice Gen'l Register, p. 1. # Harold F. Porter, Jr., "The Strutt-Biggs Relationships", page?# Harold F. Porter,, Jr., "The Strutt Ancestry of Thomasine Frost", in ''The American Genealogist'', vol, 61 (1968), pp. 161-166.# Harold F. Porter, Jr., "The Paternal Ancestry of Thomasine Frost", in ''The American Genalogist'', vol. 63 (1988), pp. 129-37, 164-165.# Mary Lovering Holman, "Notes on Edmund Rice", in ''The American Genealogist,'' Volume 10, p. 135.# Bessie Burris Hunt, ''Ancestors & Descendants of Jonathan Burris,''Sun Printing
7. [[Category: Buckingham, Buckinghamshire]] == Biography == : [[Myal-5|Thomasine Myal]] : Birth: abt 1542, Buckingham, England : Death: aft 1568 : Marriage: abt 1563, of Sudbury, Suffolk, England : Spouse: [[Royce-224|'''William Royce (Rose)''']] : Children: # [[Royce-75|Thomas Royce]]/Rice # ''Henry Royce/Rice'' == Sources ==* Source: [https://familysearch.org/search/tree/results?count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3AJohn%20%2Bsurname%3ANance%20%2Bbirth_place%3A%22Illogan%2C%20Cornwall%2C%20England%22~%20%2Bbirth_year%3A1575-1595~ Primary FamilySearch.org URL] [https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/2:2:SRRK-PBT Thomasine Myal] Pedigree Resource File: Birth: about 1542, of Buckingham, England; Marriage: about 1563, of Sudbury, Suffolk, England; Spouse: William /Rice; Children: Henry /Rice; Thomas /Rice * Source: [https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/2:1:97TM-XYJ Thomasine Myal] Death: after 1568 [International Genealogical Index (IGI)] Birth: about 1543, Buckinghamshire, England; Death: after 1568 * Source: * Genealogy of the Bryan and Martin Families; URL: www.bryan-martin.net/genealogy <references /> == Acknowledgments ==* Thank you to [[Raber-23|Lynden Raber Castle Rodriguez]] for starting this profile.