1. == Disputed Origins == The Henry Rice who married Elizabeth Frost (who then went on to marry[[Whale-11|Philemon Whale II]]) has been thought to be brother or father of the immigrant [[Rice-52|Edmund Rice]] who settled in Sudbury, Massachusetts about 1638. <ref>''The American Genealogist,'' vol. 10, p134: QUOTE NEEDED</ref> == Biography == Henry Rice or Rys of Ratcliffe was born 1564 [others say 1588] in Wapping, Ratcliffe, East Mithfield, St. Katherine's Whitechapel, Middlesex [other say Suffolk], England. He married first 1605 [seems late given 1564 birth year; are we conflating two men here, one generation apart??] Elizabeth Frost... [is this right?] In "English Notes on Edmund Rice," Mary Lovering Holman<ref>''The American Genealogist,'' vol. 10, p133-137</ref> had searched the church register from Stanstead, Suffolk, England with the following results: One Henry Rice married Elizabeth Frost in November 1605. Supposed children, recorded in this register include: # Henry Ryce, son of Henry; buried September 1608 # Edward Ryce, baptized May 1608 # Henry Ryce, baptized Feb 1609/10; # Elizabeth Ryce, baptized November 1612 # Mary Ryce, baptized Jun 1615 # Anne Ryce, baptized March 1617/8 One Henry Rice, the father?, was buried November 1621 in Stanstead.<ref>''The American Genealogist,'' vol. 10, p133-136</ref> No will has been found. The Frosts were of Stanstead, but not the Rice name. == Research Notes ==:Henry Rice and his wife Elizabeth Frost '''were not''' the parents of the emigrant [[Rice-52|Edmund Rice]] of Sudbury, Massachusetts. Fromthe [http://edmund-rice.org/ancestors.htm Edmund Rice (1638) Family Association]: :Twice in the 20th century nationally recognized research genealogists have attempted to determine the parents and ancestors of Edmund Rice:# Mary Lovering Holman described the negative result of her search for records in the parishes near Stanstead and Sudbury, Suffolk County, England in "English Notes on Edmund Rice … ", ''The American Genealogist''', Volume 10 (1933/34), pp. 133 - 137. Mrs. Holman is consideredby many to be one of the best research genealogists in the 20th century.# In 1997, the Edmund Rice (1638) Association commissioned Dr. JoannaMartin, a nationally recognized research genealogist who lives in England only a few miles from Stanstead and Sudbury to search again for records of Edmund Rice's parents. Dr. Martin reported in 1999 that she found no record that identified Edmund's parents or ancestral line... :::From Mrs. Holman's paper we have an excellent record of one Henry Rice's marriage to Elizabeth Frost in November 1605 at Stanstead. Mrs. Holman also documents the baptism of Edmund's first child on 23 August 1619 at Stanstead. If this is the Henry Rice and Elizabeth Frost to which the LDS records refer, the LDS records must be erroneous... If Henry was the father of Edmund the immigrant, it would have been by an earlier wife. The Edmund Rice (1638) Association makes it very clear that no proof has been found of Edmund's parentage.<ref>http://www.edmund-rice.org/ancestors.htm</ref> == Sources == <references /> See also:* ''Catalogue of American genealogies in the library of the Long Island Historical Society,'' Brooklyn, N. Y.: The Society, 1935. Availableon ancestry.com* ''A volume of records relating to the early history of Boston,'' Boston: Municipal Print. Office, 1900-1909.** Note: Vols. 1-22, 1876-1890, issued as "Report of the Record Commissioners." In 1892 the Record Commissioners' Department (created in 1875 and known also as the Department of Ancient Records) was consolidated with the Registry Department, which continued the publication under the same title until 1900; with v. 29, the title was changed to its present form.* ''Middlesex, England, Extracted Parish Records,'' Ancestry.com. Electronic databases created from various publications of parish and probate records.* Ellery Bicknell Crane, ed., ''Historic Homes and Institutions and Genealogical and Personal Memoirs of Worcester County Massachusetts with a History of Worcester Society,'' [place? date?] According to the profiles Rice-220, married Baker-314, when he was 15or 16 years of age, in 1579. She was about 21. Possible yes, probableno. He then married Frost-76, and Frost-103, in 1605. Possible No. Frost-76 and Frost-103, may not be the same person, but Baker-314, was not married to two women, with the same name, at the same time.Someone who is certified, needs to remove, one of these ladies, as awife, to Baker-314.
2. [[Category:England, Pre-1700 PPPs]][[Category:England, Pre-1700 Managed profile needs work]] {{England}} == Biography == William was born about 1522. The Will of William Rice, of Medmenham, Buckinghamshire, England was written in 1588 and proved on the 25th November 1588. <ref>The National Archives; Kew, England; Prerogative Court of Canterbury and Related Probate Jurisdictions: Will Registers; Class: PROB 11; Piece: 73 Discovery catalogue entry for the ''Will of William Rice of Medmenham'' is [https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D924683 here] </ref> <br> To be further completed. Thank you for your patience. ==Research Notes==Note: the birth and death dates and association with Buckinghamshireand Medmenham in particular , imply that this profile is conflated with a William Rice , son of Unknown Rice and Eden Saunders. See Historyof Parliament entry for William Rice freely viewable online [https://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/volume/1509-1558/member/rice-william-1522-88 here ] . Lack of evidence for William being a son of [[Ap_Gruffydd-42|Rhys ap Gruffydd]] and [[Howard-10|Catherine Howard]]: The book written in 1993 [https://www.uwp.co.uk/book/sir-rhys-ap-thomas-and-his-family-hardback/ Sir Rhys ap Thomas and His Family- A Studyin the Wars of the Roses and Early Tudor Politics] (by Ralph A. Griffiths, OBE, Emeritus Professor of Medieval History at Swansea University, Honorary Vice-President of the Royal Historical Society, and formerly Chairman of the Royal Commission on the Ancient and Historical Monuments of Wales. ) does not refer at all to a William ap Rhys, son ofRhys ap Grufydd. <br> The only mention of a William ap Rhys is as one of the illegitimate sons of [[Ap_Thomas-9|Sir Rhys ap Thomas]] by Gwenllian, sister of theabbott of Talley. That William settled in Sandyhaven, Pembrokeshire.<br>The book draws on many early sources from Libraries and record offices. It also contains a reprint of the 17th century "Life of Sir Rhys apThomas" which is believed to have been written by Henry Rice, a descendant of Rhys ap Thomas. This has no mention of WIlliam ap Rhys. == Sources == <references /> See also: (the following sources need to be assessed individual to see what, if anything they include concerning the individuals on this profile; thank you):* "North American, Family Histories, 1500-2000 for William Rice whichappears to be citing:** page 110, 'Genealogy and History of the Grout and Allied Families:line item 13. William Rice, of Bohmer, born 1522 father of line item 14. Thomas Rice, born 1555, father of line item 15. Edmund Rice, born about 1594, came to New England 1638, settled in Sudbury, Massachusetts (ref.1)."** "(ref.1) [https://archive.org/details/bynameofricehist00riceiala/page/10 By the name of Rice, an Historical Sketch of Deacon Edmund Rice], also Mss. by Charles Elmer Rice, Nos. 12-15, from this source: ** Browning's Magna Carta Barons, pp. 190-227:**'' Americans of Royal Descen''t, by Charles Henry Browning; Published:Porter & Costes, 1891 ''pp. 159-60'';** [https://archive.org/details/thomasbookgivin00thomgoog/page/n9 Thomas, The Thomas Book], also page 20 cites William Ap Rice, of Sandy Haven ( Pembrokeshire ), Sheriff of Pembrokeshire 1557. This was an illegitimate son of [[Ap_Thomas-9|Sir Rhys ap Thomas]] by Gwenllian, sister of the abbott of Talley. See that entry online [https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=pi9WAAAAMAAJ&dq=Thomas%2C+The+THomas+Book&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=William+Rice here] See also [https://archive.org/details/thomasbookgivin00thomgoog/page/n64 here] for the descent via Thomasap Rhys, another illegitimate son of [[Ap_Thomas-9|Sir Rhys ap Thomas]] by Gwenllian. NB the pages 471-473 originally cited here as a source do not mention William ap Rhys. The only children of Rhys ap Gruffydd ( Rice ) and Catherine Howard cited here are [[Rhys-123|Griffith Rice]] and[[Reese-1398| Agnes]]. [ Freely viewable online here:[https://archive.org/details/thomasbookgivin00thomgoog/page/n576 Rice of Dynevor]** Burke's Peerage, etc., 1894, p. 474." End page 110. Online record source access thru: [www.Ancestry.com]. * [http://trees.ancestry.com/pt/AMTCitationRedir.aspx?tid=24279608&pid=1759262483 Various Ancestry Family Trees] - USE WITH CAUTION ''Do you have information about William Rice? Please contribute to his biography. Everything on WikiTree is a collaborative work-in-progress.''
3. CITING THIS RECORDThe Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, "International Genealogical Index (IGI)," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/2:1:MQLL-H4F : accessed 2017-06-24), entry for Margaret Baker. http://our-royal-titled-noble-and-commoner-ancestors.com/p1011.htm#i30352 It appears that she was born on 07/01/1558, and christened on 07/07/1558 According to the profiles Rice-220, married Baker-314, when he was 15or 16 years of age, in 1579. She was about 21. Possible yes, probableno. He then married Frost-76, and Frost-103, in 1605. Possible No. Frost-76 and Frost-103, may not be the same person, but Baker-314, was not married to two women, with the same name, at the same time.Someone who is certified, needs to remove, one of these ladies, as awife, to Baker-314.
4. [[Category: Buckingham, Buckinghamshire]] == Biography == : [[Myal-5|Thomasine Myal]] : Birth: abt 1542, Buckingham, England : Death: aft 1568 : Marriage: abt 1563, of Sudbury, Suffolk, England : Spouse: [[Royce-224|'''William Royce (Rose)''']] : Children: # [[Royce-75|Thomas Royce]]/Rice # ''Henry Royce/Rice'' == Sources ==* Source: [https://familysearch.org/search/tree/results?count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3AJohn%20%2Bsurname%3ANance%20%2Bbirth_place%3A%22Illogan%2C%20Cornwall%2C%20England%22~%20%2Bbirth_year%3A1575-1595~ Primary FamilySearch.org URL] [https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/2:2:SRRK-PBT Thomasine Myal] Pedigree Resource File: Birth: about 1542, of Buckingham, England; Marriage: about 1563, of Sudbury, Suffolk, England; Spouse: William /Rice; Children: Henry /Rice; Thomas /Rice * Source: [https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/2:1:97TM-XYJ Thomasine Myal] Death: after 1568 [International Genealogical Index (IGI)] Birth: about 1543, Buckinghamshire, England; Death: after 1568 * Source: * Genealogy of the Bryan and Martin Families; URL: www.bryan-martin.net/genealogy <references /> == Acknowledgments ==* Thank you to [[Raber-23|Lynden Raber Castle Rodriguez]] for starting this profile.
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6. == Biography == Per [http://trees.ancestry.com/pt/AMTCitationRedir.aspx?tid=112019&pid=-1218051805 unsourced online family trees], supposedly son of [[Rice-220|Henry Rice]] and [[Frost-103|Elizabeth Frost]], but dates don't make this possible. == Sources == <references /> CITING THIS RECORD"Pedigree Resource File," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/2:2:9995-18C : accessed 2 August 2018), entry for Henry Rice; file (2:2:2:MM95-NN1), submitted 20 June 1999. For reference only Robert Rice View Tree Sex Male Birth about 1596 ,Stamstead,Suffolk,England PARENTS Father Thomas Rice Mother Catherine Howard CITING THIS RECORD"Pedigree Resource File," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/2:2:94MY-KDQ : accessed 2 August 2018), entry for Robert Rice; file (2:2:2:MM9T-9M4), submitted 12 May 2002. His father is sometimes listed as Thomas. I do not know if one is a middle name. or if one is a nickname. https://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=chazzyace62&id=I3056